Chuck Thompson at Town Hall in Seattle, Jan 7, 2012
In an effort to win over the audience Thompson gave out gifts, souvenirs from his travels through the South, for answering questions correctly: t-shirts “The South Was Right, Our School is Wrong” (“they’ve got a real stick up their ass about education”), “Unreconstructed Confederate,” “Secede,” a rebel flag bikini (I won the bottoms*), and bumper stickers, “We’re In It For Life,” “It Ain’t Over,” “Don’t Re-Nig in 2012” from Lynchburg, TN -- he didn’t give that one away because “that just makes me feel shitty.”
Some of the book, he said, is played for laughs, which some people miss, but there’s also a serious angle.
There’s a chapter on economics. Something many people don’t know: The Boeing Company, since 1947, has been the single largest exporter in this country and remains so today. Last June the State of AL handed Airbus $60 million in cash and tax breaks as an incentive to build a plant there. SC, FL, TN have also been trying to get Boeing’s biggest competitor in their states. Unlike Washington and most other states, AL (and other Southern states) is allowed by their constitution to give Airbus and other corps public funds, i.e., $60 million. “Right to work” laws, as we know, mean the right to work for less. Between 1973 and 2007 private-sector union membership went from 34% to 8%. In that same period, the disparity between ownership and labor grew by 40%, in ownership’s favor. SC recently won a Dreamliner assembly plant. With a cheaper labor force and compliant state and local governments, companies are moving there in large numbers, and more people are moving into the South than moving away from it and its rapidly expanding its population base.
For most of history, the South had a broken economic model, but since WWII that’s changed with industries invested in oil and coal. Thompson shared that he is unapologetically pro-union.
Religion is the first chapter in the book because as far as the author is concerned, it’s the foundation of a lot of social thought, policies, and politics, and religion seems to seep into virtually every aspect of Southern life. It’s what separates Southern states from Northern states. The obvious argument is there are religious kooks in all 50 states, and there are, but only in the South can people run for office campaigning on explicitly religious grounds with a reasonable expectation of winning.
The Southern Poverty Law Center in AL looks like an impenetrable compound. There have been twenty-six attempts to bomb it since it was built in the ‘70s. On that same street is the first white house of the confederacy, along with the state capitol building. Most SPLC employees are under 24-hour security at work and at their homes.
Thompson interviewed John Howard, a former grand dragon of the KKK, who runs “The Redneck Shop” in SC across the street from the county courthouse. Thompson has been criticized for including Howard in the book and for being too harsh on Southern culture. Thompson recounted several recent stories of hate crimes and racist statements by public officials. A 2011 poll of SC republicans revealed that 46% said interracial marriage should be illegal. (Thompson wonders why the question was even asked.) In 2012, in a poll of likely voters, 34% said either it should be illegal or they weren’t sure. Thompson: “Fuck it. I’m not going to be all polite and sit here and ignore this stuff.”
Five storefronts from John Howard is an African American barbershop. Thompson asked one of the patrons if Howard is an anomaly, or does he represent popular thinking. The answer is in the book J on p. 112 or thereabouts. In the South, if you ask a question of a white resident and the same question of a black resident, the answers reveal it’s as though you’re living in a different country. This experience was replicated over and over for the author.**
Around 2001 there was a controversy about the confederate flag being on top of the SC state capitol. It was ultimately removed and the compromise included moving to fly in front of the capitol in what looks like a shrine, enjoying a more conspicuous location and lit up at night.
The author showed pictures of statutes and memorials to the confederacy and white supremacy, one of which included a memorial to former SC governor, Ben Tillman, one of the most vehement white supremacists this country has ever produced, who publicly advocated lynching and voter suppression. “We have scratched our heads to find out how we can eliminate every last one of them. We stuffed ballot boxes, we shot them. We are not ashamed of it.” To be fair, there are Southern memorials to civil rights, just not as many. The “it ain’t over” and “we were right” mentality is very much alive.
The Japanese American Memorial to Patriotism in Wash, DC and dedicated by President Reagan in 1988, is inscribed: "Here we admit a wrong. Here we affirm our commitment as a nation to equal justice under the law." That is how you achieve healing and brotherhood.
The South didn’t always believe all government is evil. Louisiana Populist Huey Long’s campaign slogan twice was “The Great Share Our Wealth Society.” Southerners do love their highways and bridges and hospitals and football stadiums, all built with public funds as though they appeared out of nowhere.
Defenders of the necessity of the Civil War insist that it was fought over states’ rights, but Thompson points out that right was the right to own slaves, to protect an economy based on slave labor. According to “Apostles of Disunion” by Charles Dew, the secession documents of virtually every Southern state mentions slavery in the first line or paragraph of their proclamation.
Thompson took many questions, one from a man from NC whose family has been there since before the revolution and grew up hearing about secession and glories of the war and knowing first-hand what war does to a culture, everyone, not just the slaves but those who fought. His relatives were confederates. “I’m not saying it was right, but… war is an awful thing and the effects last for generations and generations. They came through and burned my hometown to the ground. They weren’t doing good things there, but this rhetoric that inflames people – and this right here with the joking and everything like that, that we should secede from the Union, that’s really dangerous.”
Thompson responded politely, that the majority in a society should be able to govern their society in a way they see fit. “I’m sick and tired of people like Mitch McConnell and Eric Cantor and Newt Gingrich having such an impact on ‘my country,’ similar to others being tired of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, but shouldn’t the majority opinion matter? This country is in gridlock and I’m sick of it. You know what? You want to secede? Fine, do it. I’m frustrated. At the same time I know it’s not going to happen.”
One audience member noted that successful secessionist movements are not unprecedented and cited Pakistan, Bangladesh, Burma, South Sudan, Slovakia, Soviet Union. Thompson said this book discusses the practicalities of how it might work here, but was mostly interested in showing that the South has become a very different society than the rest of the country.
Another audience member said it’s not a north-south thing so much as a spiritual bankruptcy in the US that allows and permits peace-loving people to be assassinated while Lindsey Graham and others who are obstructionists can prevent the rest of us from living our lives in the way we would like to live. “They are the problem and they are spiritually bankrupt.” (There was much applause.) The author agreed. This isn’t an entirely Southern problem, but that is where the stronghold comes from, a Southern ethos hardwired into those states since the 1700s. Btw, there was a lot of Southern resistance to joining the US early on.
When asked what surprised him the most in his southern travels, Thompson said how impossible it is to study the South as it exists today without including the Civil War, reconstruction, or Jim Crow, as Thompson initially wanted to do. He quoted William Faulkner: “The past is not dead. In fact, it’s not even past.” “You can’t avoid it and I was forced to deal with it.” The Civil War stays with people, as the gentleman said earlier. Thompson noted that he and other Northerners had ancestors killed in the war, “but we don’t feel it as personally as Southerners do.”
Thompson isn’t urging people to do any particular thing. The book is “just a big frustrated bitch about secession.” He’s not trying to crusade to get people to do anything, except maybe to buy the book.
*I won the bikini bottoms but tried to wave it off because I really dislike that symbol. I gave it away, and wouldn’t you know, a half hour into the talk I was a little sorry that I had. When the talk was over, the gentleman I handed it to left it behind on the seat, so maybe he guessed I might want it back. So I have that ridiculous souvenir.
**It is noteworthy and bitterly ironic that the video making the rounds today (January 10, 2013) comes out of Tennessee, the angry Mr. Yeager ranting about his guns and threatening "another civil war" if they're "taken away." "Fuck that" he says. One inch closer and he's ready to kill someone. (ETA: his permit to carry firearms has today been revoked by the feds. lol)
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Addendum later that same night: I started the book this afternoon, am about 20 pages in, and it's quite hilarious. I've chuckled or laughed at every page. It's also skillfully written and rigorously researched, and I would not call it mean-spirited. I call it a frank look at a part of the country which is and has always been, let's just say not our highest selves as a nation-state. Most of all, it's HI-larious.
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